SPEAKERS

Dylan McCabe, Michael Gogan

 

Dylan McCabe  00:00

Roofing mastery podcast episode number 21. Welcome to the roofing mastery podcast and now called limitless since we’ve rebranded This is the limitless roofing CEO show. And we are passionate about giving you the tips, tools and roadmap you need to grow a successful business. And in this episode, I give you a seat at the table as I interview Michael gogan wood company came, we’re going to talk about why frankly, you need company cam. I’m all about having the right business tools and processes in place to have a successful, scalable, sustainable business. And we’re going to get into true stories about company can they save people a lot of money and make people money, improve the sales process, improve the sales management process and taking multiple steps out of the process for roofing companies. And if you want to give us a nod help us to support this podcast which we publish for free, you can get a 14 day free trial accompany can just go to our affiliate page, which is company cam.com, slash limitless. That’s my shameless plug, we’ve decided we want to align with the right partners. And company camp is one of those partners. And again, I’ll put it in the show notes. It’s company cam comm slash limitless, you’re gonna get a lot out of this, you’re gonna find out about how entrepreneurial and savvy company cam is and helping you to run a successful business, get some real life stories from Michael gogan. And really get a breakdown of why you need to consider this product. Let’s jump right into it. Alright, as I stated, I have special guest on the show Michael gogan with company cam. So Michael, thanks for joining the show.

 

Michael Gogan  01:36

Absolutely done. Thanks for having me.

 

Dylan McCabe  01:39

Yeah, this is gonna be interesting, because you guys have a really neat story of how company cam was started. And some people listening this podcast are using company cam, some are not. So for those that are not really familiar with your company and your story. Let’s talk about you specifically kind of give your background and then how you got involved in company cam.

 

Michael Gogan  01:58

Yeah, absolutely. So I’ve gotten to I’ve got a unique way that I landed in the tech world, I went to college, to be a teacher. A lot of people in my family are teachers, my dad was a high school principal for 20 years. And so that was what I knew. And so I said, Well, I’m gonna be a teacher, too. I was a coach. I did that for four years, then I got into the administration side of the world, I was an athletic director for a couple of years. And with kids and doing that not having time, I said, Man, I want to free up my time. And then I’ve kind of always been an entrepreneur at heart when I look back at myself. And so I jumped into the donut world, actually, for three years and bought a existing donut company here in Lincoln, Nebraska did that. And realize that my goal of freeing up my time was not going to happen in the donut world. And luckily, I found a buddy that I knew from playing sports in high school, went to a rival High School, and he was looking for somebody to basically be the first person to come on and sell company cam. And so I said, Well, I wouldn’t mind checking that out. And so we had the kind of the preliminary conversations. I looked at the app, and I realized, man, this, this tool, you know, I don’t have a contracting background. But I understand business. And I understand the value of efficiency in business. And I said, Man, this tool is it’s legit. And so one thing led to another and now I’m coming up on four years being with with company camps. So

 

Dylan McCabe  03:34

that’s so cool. It’s interesting, because, you know, you think about your professional life. And for so many people, it’s such a zigzag path to go from A to B over the course of 10 years or whatever. It’s not like moat for most people’s No, I went to college and studied finance, and I got a master’s degree in finance. And I became, you know, whatever. And then I became CFO of a company that’s so rare, for most of us is like yours is I was a teacher. And then I noticed I was really entrepreneurial. And I got involved in a donut franchise. And now I’m at this amazing startup. And so that’s just so cool. I love hearing that story. Because I can relate to that to my life is my professional journey has been anything but the traditional and but it’s interesting when you look back, it’s neat to see how every chapter kind of builds on the next.

 

Michael Gogan  04:23

Absolutely. And that’s what I was gonna say is like at the end of the day, and I look, you know, now that I look back on it that made I do business development and education with company cam. And so that builds on the education aspect of my previous career, but then I look back in as a 10 year old living on a golf course. I realized that hey, these guys that are out here playing golf and league on Tuesday night, Thursday night when in tournaments on the weekend, they’re losing golf balls, and those golf balls have value and so I said if I go find those golf balls, then I can sell them right back to the same golfers on the you know on the course I lived on it. So I was an entrepreneur from a young age where I said, Man, I want money. I like money. And I’m gonna solve a problem. And so, you know, at the end of the day, I look back on, you know what I did previously? And like you said, it does it builds upon itself to where I’m at today, and I get to join you on podcast and talking about things, get to go to trade shows, and sell things. So it’s awesome

 

Dylan McCabe  05:25

that there’s that would be a neat story for Entrepreneur on Fire with john Lee Dumas, He always gets a background story of the entrepreneurs he has on. But so let’s so let’s dive a little deeper into company cam. What’s the background story of company cam? I know a lot of people have seen this. I’ve seen maybe some posts, maybe some ads or just heard from other people. I mean, I talked to the CEO of a construction company last week, and he said, Hey, are you guys using company cam? And I said, Yes, we just signed up. So tell us the background story of company cam. And what what what it is that you guys offer?

 

Michael Gogan  05:59

Yeah, absolutely. So like I mentioned earlier, I’m here in Lincoln, Nebraska. And there’s local roofing company, White Castle roofing, and just a just a great company in general, family owned, been around for a long time. And what happened was, as the, you know, the younger generation, Mike Hanson’s the owner, and as his three sons started getting more and more involved in the business, they started realizing that communicating from job site to job site, and then getting that communication back to the office was was difficult. And the story that resonates most with me, and there’s I’m sure there’s a lot of stories that led to saying, Hey, we have to develop a solution. But our CEO who can send talks about a photo to a damage on a property that I’m sure every contractors dealt with. And it was very minor in terms of the amount of money that it was going to cost to fix the damage. I think it was a ripped screen or damaged, damaged gutter doesn’t matter, but super inexpensive to fix. But he knew from being out there on that first sales appointment that we didn’t do that that damage was pre existing, I have a picture of it. I don’t know if it was in his phone on his digital camera, if you know Luke, he has no clue where it was at. And, you know, the principle of it was I’m not paying for that, because we didn’t do it. But we have no proof. And so they ended up paying for it. He looks out and says there’s gotta be a solution. Didn’t find a solution. And then here we are, five and a half years later with with company cam as that communication documentation solution for, for contractors.

 

Dylan McCabe  07:40

And everybody deals with that. I mean, we we I just talked to a guy yesterday that wants to join one of our roofing CEO, peer groups. And he said one of the biggest challenges he has is getting all the sales guys at his company to upload all the images that he needs them to upload, when they’re out on the doing A free roof inspection. I’m just thinking, golly, is it really that hard. But that’s that’s his most stressful point that he’s having to constantly talk to his sales guys to talk to them about because they’re having trouble when they put in their supplement and the insurance companies saying well, you don’t have proper documentation. And so it’s just a constant headache. And I didn’t even think that telling man you should contact company can but I know I’m talking to him again here in about a week. So I’ll mention that to

 

Michael Gogan  08:25

make sure we get that mentioned to them. But yeah, no, I think that’s, that’s one of the things that I really harp on when I’m, you know, at events, or I’m doing in person trainings, those kind of thing is you, you want your guys to take the pictures and do the documentation. Like, you know, if you talk to that contractor, that’s what he’s wanting them to do. And it’s not that that they’re not doing it’s actually getting it uploaded into some sort of system or some place. And so I was talking about the more hurdles or barriers that you have between what you want and what you’re like does that where you want it, the less likely it is that it’s going to get done. And so that’s what company cam has done is we’ve eliminated that upload step. And so you know, now it’s like guys, you have to take these pictures, I’m going to give you a tool that automatically is uploading for you you don’t have to do any other steps and so I love that point. So that’s a great story to hear from premiering it

 

Dylan McCabe  09:22

well so let’s let’s get into that. I mean what is the I know we’ve touched on that you’re taking a step out and I love efficiency and if you make that a process you got a streamline repeatable process. That’s something we’re really big on that we discuss it roofing mastery is the power of the process. We talk about it in our CEO groups the process component of your business, and make sure that it’s documented and followed by everybody but but making that process simple is key. So that’s huge to me. But what is that what would you say is the biggest pain point that company cam solves

 

Michael Gogan  09:57

it’s it’s probably the most simple tool that you can have like, but it solves so many different pain points on the front end that it solves that problem of getting documentation to, to a place that it’s usable. I think it’s it’s not a, it’s not a secret, it’s been around for a long time that you need to document, you know, I hear contractors talking about it all the time that they used to use Polaroid cameras, and then they maybe transition to disposable, you know, film, they get dropped off at the Walgreens, and then we got into the digital camera age, and we brought the chip back for someone in the office to upload, and then we got to the smartphones. So we’ve known we needed to do that for a long time. But the pain point is finding that time in my day that I’m not selling, not building, I’m not doing the things that should be doing to upload my photos into some some storage space. And so the pain point is we’re getting that documentation that you know, you need to do somewhere that it’s usable. And then on the back end, we make it so that you can use that. So like you were talking about earlier, the supplementing end of things, it’s great that you took the photo. And it’s great that john has it on his camera. But if I don’t know john has it on this camera, when I go to do the supplement, we’re not getting paid for that line item. Whereas right there, look at that there’s a picture of it, we know we did add the drip edge, or we did do this. So kind of twofold. Gets the documentation where you need it, and makes it usable when you actually need it.

 

Dylan McCabe  11:40

And what stands out to me about that is we’ve interviewed so many different people on this podcast that have been just given some great insights. And we had Greg cannon on from copper Mark claims. He talked about the power of over documenting. And he said, basically, if you have 300 images, and the desk adjuster has 30 Who do you think has more weight to their claim more weight to their argument. And he talked about recording taking fastidious notes on your discussions even in some states recording the phone conversations, you might have a recording a conversation with the the adjuster that’s out on the job, again, if it’s legal in your state, but he just talked about the power of documentation. And I thought that was so good. And so that that’s big to me, because we you know, at rain, tight general contracting, every single job we do, we fill out a full scope of work. And of course, we have to send a supplement in every single time, because the insurance company never is meeting us, you know, line by line on what needs to be done on the job and what they should reimburse for as far as Storm Damage goes. And so we are constantly putting this huge supplement together with multiple images and a breakdown of what each image shows. But I even learned more from another show we did with Justin from Max for claims he has a supplement company. And he talked about there’s even ways you should how many images you should use, what kind of notes you should take and all this. So anyway, I say all that to say I think company cam and we’re not a paid affiliate of company cam, you guys aren’t paying me to say this. But I think it’s powerful because as a sit in a sales role. Most good sales guys that are real hunters and closers are not good farmers. They’re really good at closing deals and then moving on, they’re not good at a detailed process with multiple steps. And so for me, it makes it easy for me to do what I’m good at, which is educate a homeowner and get them to a decision. But it helps me with what I’m not good at, which is then the next seven steps in that process.

 

Michael Gogan  13:47

Absolutely, no, I think I, I want to draw back to you talking about Greg in copper marks a great partner of company cams. You know, obviously they see the value in company cam, I think they actually might even pay to use company cam. I don’t know that for a fact, but they’re a partner of ours. And when you talk about over documenting, I have so many stories done of contractors that end up getting out of disputes with homeowners or getting things paid from you know, the adjuster on photos that they might not have actually thought had any bearing on the claim itself. And then turns out that there’s something showing in that photo that it’s like, oh look, there it is like we did replace that or we didn’t take your ladder. See it’s back here it’s sitting it’s still there or no your neighbor’s foundation wasn’t cracked when we brought this in or we didn’t crack your neighbor’s foundation. We brought the cement truck through. It already has a crack. Here’s a timestamp dated photo. And so you can never be too too safe taking those pictures. But like you said, your sales guys, they’re not they’re not going to do that next step or a couple steps. All right, great job taking them instead of going in doc and five more doors today, I want you to spend the next hour uploading all those photos and sorting them. It just doesn’t make sense from a business standpoint, and they’re probably not going to do. And so that’s where company gamble really comes into play.

 

Dylan McCabe  15:17

Yeah, especially if it’s a busy year, you know, if you’re out there selling 50 to 80 roofs, like in Dallas, if we get a heavy hailstorm, and you get covered up the rest of the year, and you multiply the amount of images you have to take and the time to upload them and document them in your CRM times 50 or 80. Homes. Man, that’s a lot of that’s a lot of wasted time. To me, it’s a tool, I’m all I’m really big on spending money on the right tools. I have the laptop, I have the podcast software platform, we use the video editor, I’m such a big proponent of spending money on the right tools. And to me, it’s just a tool, it’s a tool that does something very well and brings in a lot of efficiency. But for people thinking to themselves listening right now saying, Well, what I have works fine. I upload my images, I take a picture on my iPhone, I upload the image to Google Drive. And then we pull those images from Google Drive over into our CRM, why not just stick with that process?

 

Michael Gogan  16:14

Now I get that question all the time. And I think that those are actually the my favorite clients to talk to because a you understand the value of documentation. Like, at the end of the day, if you don’t know that it’s important to take pictures and to have those stored somewhere on the cloud so that they’re accessible. Company cams, probably not for you. But the vast majority already know that. And so, you know, I usually and I don’t want to like I don’t say this to be confrontational. But I, I bring up the fact that Well, how do you put your shingles on these nail gun? Oh, I mean, didn’t the hammer 10 years ago work just fine or 15 years ago? And and that’s a really easy thing for them to grasp, too. And they’re like, okay, you might have a point here. And it says same reason you don’t use a hammer on on roofs today is that efficiency standpoint? And, you know, you talk about well, what if Johnny, who was out running those appointments? What if he decides he’s going to go rogue tomorrow? Do you have the pictures? Do you have any clue up? Nope. And we talked about it already, we don’t want to beat a dead horse. But now you’re relying on your team to do that next step in the process of take the pictures, but then upload them into drive or upload them into Dropbox. You know, it’s so there’s, there’s that next step? And it’s like, man, Kim, can we save you 1015 3060 minutes a day in that process, and then it just becomes simple economics of like, okay, you can like, make sense for me to, you know, be using a tool that, that saves me that amount of time. And that’s without even getting into the supplementing aspect. And you know, a lot of companies use some sort of third party for their supplementing or, you know, they’re using a third party for public adjusting or any of those things, it’s like, it’s a pain in the butt to try to create some sort of PDF photo report out of Dropbox. And it’s not easy to send a whole bunch of photos via Dropbox, I know you can do the links, those kinds of things. But company can one click and all the information that needs to be sent to somebody, it’s done, it’s there for them. So from an efficiency standpoint, company can really can’t be,

 

Dylan McCabe  18:32

that’s great. And if you want to scale and grow a successful company, you have to be efficient. And time is money and processes are key. So I think that’s huge. Another thing that comes to my mind, and I don’t know how often this comes up, but documentation to avoid legal issues. You know, if you have a situation where the homeowner claims, you did this to my property, but the sales guy was out there took pictures beforehand, and then took pictures after hand after the job was done. And you can say no, your, your your gutters were bent and damaged before we came to the site, is that something that comes up? Or is that maybe a smaller peripheral issue

 

Michael Gogan  19:10

all the time, all the time. That’s one of the biggest things, you know that at the end of the day, that’s where we were born out of is the fact that, you know, there’s damage and we White Castle done it. They knew they didn’t do it, but they didn’t have a way to prove it. The story that actually comes to mind is in the pool industry. And somebody put putting a pool in their backyard, no real great access point. But you could go between the two properties and back your cement truck back up in there. I kind of alluded to this story earlier. And it wasn’t even the property that they were working in. It was the neighboring property that had some cracks in their foundation. And I like to just assume the best than everyone you know and tell us cement truck drives between your house and your neighbor’s house. You might not look get, you know, did it hit anything? How’s my yard? How are things and they noticed a couple of cracks in the foundation. And luckily that company had over documented when they were doing everything and they had taken some pictures to show the cement truck, you know, and this is where we want you to access it, this is how, and had a photo showing that there was cracks in the foundation three cement truck. And so it’s, you know, that’s a significant loss of See, we didn’t actually damage that the one I hear all the time there that really seems to resonate with Roofing Contractors is cracked driveways. You know, you’re putting heavy stuff and unloading heavy stuff on the driveways, people may not under like, I don’t go out and look at my driveway every day and see like, the new cracks here, how’s the driveway looking. But after something’s there, people are more in tune to looking at it. And so I’m documenting those things, having proof, it just makes the whole experience better. And now instead of having an unhappy customer that, at best, you’re gonna pay to fix whatever they’re unhappy about, but you’re probably not getting any further with that customer. Now you can show him like he was already done. And now you keep them as a satisfied customer, if not a static customer that says you know, what you need us rain type for for your roofing, they were great to work with the transparency was unmatched. So I think it goes a long ways it goes further than just that one to one customer. But you can lose a lot of business from one unhappy customer and having documentation can alleviate that.

 

Dylan McCabe  21:42

Oh, gosh, yeah, that’s the last thing you want to do is pay for somebody’s driveway when you shouldn’t have to pay for it. That’s huge. And I I know that that’s something that they teach in SVG is use a use a dump trailer, don’t don’t go have a massive dumpster put on the driveway, and you come away with a cracked driveway or whatever. And takes little tips like that. Yeah, right. So So what’s another story, let’s say and maybe a commercial context where company cam has been used. It’s alleviated some, it’s alleviated some challenges there and really kind of save the day.

 

Michael Gogan  22:16

Yeah, so this one’s This one’s an interesting one, because White Castle Who were you know, created company cam, they do Commercial Roofing, they are primarily residential, you know, they’re doing 30 plus million a year. And I would say 90 plus percent of that is from the residential side of things. And so when I first got into company cam, I didn’t quite understand the commercial game, like like I do now. And it was from talking to one of the owners of company came Brahman, our White Castle that runs the commercial division, I was like, Well, how powerful is it for you guys, like I understand the power now in the residential side, and he’s like, well, and that’s the story is, is like, for me at five o’clock, at the end of the day, I don’t have to worry and stress, you know, is everything. tarp to tie it off, is everything, you know, everything good. So that if it rains tonight that my six commercial buildings that we’re working on, aren’t going to get a ton of water damage, and we’re going to be on the hook for all of that. And he actually spoke about one where at five o’clock, he went in, he didn’t have to go to the gym, say his guys took pictures at the end of the day, like they’re supposed to notice things weren’t closed off like they’re supposed to be. And they were able to get that corrected. Had they not got it corrected, and it rained that night. You know, now you’re, you’re dealing with a water loss on a property that you were fault as the contractor. And so that’s just one, one story.

 

Dylan McCabe  23:47

So let’s let’s back up and let’s explain how that works. Because this is exactly what Canon barang the CEO baronne construction asked me about when he asked me if we use company cam, and he explained how they use it on their their projects. And they do some really big large loss. Commercial claims. They do a lot of chick fil a build outs. I mean, they are really just rocking and rolling. But how does that work? So you’ve got your crew, you got the CEO of the company over here. You got crews on jobs all over the place. You want to make sure they have everything set ready to go for the weekend. They take pictures, and then what is that for people not using company cam right now what does that process look like?

 

Michael Gogan  24:26

Absolutely. So what’s great about company cameras, everything is geo tagged, and it’s automatically uploaded into the cloud. And so your process obviously has to include taking the photo, and I don’t care what piece of technology or how you’re trying to get your documentation. That piece is standard. It has to be in every process. But now as soon as my guys have taken that photo, they’re going to go straight to the cloud. They’re going to be sorted by location. So they’re going to be sorted by that correct project. And so myself As the CEO, or maybe the project manager, whatever, I don’t actually have to go on site to check is everything ready for the weekend, I see it as my guys are taking it. And so if I know, hey, we’re gonna be wrapping up at five o’clock on Friday, we got three big jobs, they’re gonna instead of me having to drive job to job to check. I know, they’re gonna stress me over the weekend, I can check right there and company can see is it? Is it the way we need it for the weekend? Are we in good shape? If it’s not, I can have conversation with my team right there in company cam and say, on the photo, hey, see this, this needs to be changed before the weekend. And now we’re getting it corrected right away, as opposed to waiting until Monday and seeing that, you know, we didn’t get something secured or whatever it is. And now we’ve got a huge problem to deal with.

 

Dylan McCabe  25:55

And what’s the lag time? I mean, are we talking about a couple of hours an hour, 10 minutes, what’s what’s typical downtime for that

 

Michael Gogan  26:02

seconds. As long as you’re, you’re in a place where you have connection, which would be with any piece of technology, if you don’t have any sort of, you know, cellular connection or internet connection, obviously, we can’t load to the cloud. But as long as you have have that, in, you’re connected to one or the other, we’re talking in a matter of seconds and the photos are available.

 

Dylan McCabe  26:27

Yeah, that’s awesome. You know, we’re not typical. I know, some people are but we’re not typically in a situation where we need to know that it’s urgent, you know, before the end of the day, because for us, we do primarily residential. And I mean, you know, most residential homes even larger homes here in Dallas, it’s a it’s a one day deal. As those guy the crews work so fast tearing off the roof, tearing off the the Phil putting neufeldt putting a new roof down, so but we still use it and it’s just makes it so easy. I think another question that would probably come up for people listening to this would be okay, I hear you, it’s efficient. But now you’re adding another tool that I have to use, and I’m gonna be logged into my CRM, then I’m going to be logged into company cam, then I’m going to be logged into this and that and this. And that was a huge pain point. We solved in my former company, which was a healthcare software company. And we had one software solution that did a lot of things or incorporated a lot of things. And if it didn’t, it could bolt on to what they were already using. So how well does company can play with other platforms?

 

Michael Gogan  27:30

Yeah, really well, if, basically, if you’re listening to this, and you have a CRM, and you say, I’m either using company cam, or I would like to use company cam, and I would love to bolt, as you said, bolted onto my CRM, we’re open to it. So I can’t think of a situation where we would say no to an integration. There are some obviously that we’re not gonna, we’re personally not going to build if it’s a new brand new company, and you say, Man, I’m a fifth company that start using this and it’d be sure great if you could integrate with company cam. But that being said, we have all the API documentation, we can, you know, provide support to have them, you know, help them along the way of building that integration as well. So common joke is we’re kind of Switzerland when it comes to the tech space. And we’ll, we’ll integrate with absolutely anything that makes you as a contractor more efficient, because that’s, that’s our goal, at the end of the day, is to save you time as a contractor. And so if we can save you more time because of integration, we definitely want to explore that possibility.

 

Dylan McCabe  28:38

Yeah, that’s awesome. And you guys are agile enough to where you can tackle challenges like that? I think that’s huge. What you said right there. I mean, I think based on everything we’ve talked about, it really is the whole point is to save you time and money, with proper documentation. Well, what would be a parting if there’s a parting story that I missed or a parting point that you want to share before we bring this discussion to a close? What would that be?

 

Michael Gogan  29:04

Yeah, so I think the big thing for me is, I go back to what I did, right before a company came and that was the donut world. And, you know, I, I was doing that thinking that it was gonna, you’re gonna free up time for me to spend with my family. I’ve got a wife and two boys. I said, you know, at the end of the day, life’s too short to not spend as much time possible with those, those people and so I said, the donut thing. And what I realized was I had to have a finger on the pulse at all times in the donut space because between cooking and delivering and actual retail store hours, it’s a 20 473 65 venture. And there was a technology for the that made it really easy for me to see where things that How are things going without physically going down, or looking at the cameras, you know, that we had in place in the store and even then, that did Tell me a full picture. And so with company cam, you can, you know, if you’re an owner and you’re listening to this, and you say to yourself, Man, I wish I could go take more vacations, I wish I could be away from the company more, but I just can’t, because I don’t have that visibility into my company. I’m not saying company cam is going to solve all of those visibility issues. But it’s going to solve a lot of them. And it’s going to make it to where I was having dinner at the IR or no breakfast at the IRA A few years ago, and a contractor who works out of Minnesota is like, hey, check this out. We were just going to do XYZ wrong on this property. And while I’m sitting here at breakfast comp, conversing with my colleagues and my friends, I’m scrolling through my company cam, and I stop it before it happens. And it’s like, there’s no way you could be in New Orleans, and have a job going in Minnesota previously with in, you know, prevent mistakes from happening. And so that’s the big parting shot for me is, you know, free up your time free up your team’s time. At least give company cam that shot to to be efficient and work. Like you said, it’s a tool, you know, put it to work in your company.

 

Dylan McCabe  31:14

Yeah, why use a horse and buggy to go from Texas to California when you could ride in a Tesla? or fly on a plane? It just doesn’t make any sense.

 

Michael Gogan  31:22

I use that analogy a lot. You know, people are like, Well, I I do this, you know, the Google Drive or the Dropbox or you know, we integrate seamlessly with job Nimbus. They’ve got a photo functionality in job Nimbus. And I hear it a lot where it’s like, I use that and that’s fine. That’s a huge first step in the process. But it’s, you know, job Nimbus would even say, you know, where the, where the Toyota, our functionality of, you know, photos is a Toyota, do you want the Cadillac, the Lexus than the need? just integrate company came in there. And so I think I love your analogy of like, hey, make it easy for your team. You’re gonna get more out of your team. If it’s easy. That’s, that’s just human nature.

 

Dylan McCabe  32:08

Yeah, I think it’s a no brainer. And it’s affordable, too. We’re not talking about something that’s $2,000 a month. It’s a very affordable solution. And I believe at the time of the recording of this podcast, you can even start for free, right?

 

Michael Gogan  32:20

Yep, yep. And I that will always I think this, I love podcasts, and I love evergreen content of podcasts, you will always be able to at least start company game for free, like, bar none, we want you to see the value in company can see the time that it’s gonna save your team. So it’s always, always gonna start for free for you.

 

Dylan McCabe  32:41

It’s good stuff. Well, Michael gogan. With company cam, I got a lot out of this. I think the people listening to it as well. I mean, let’s face it. Again, you’re not paying me to save this. But it’s just like Good grief. If you want to save yourself time and money by avoiding costly mistakes or preventing mistakes or exposing things. I mean, it’s just a no brainer to me to have the best tools for the trade and for this trade for general contracting and roofing. It’s just an excellent tool. So, Michael, thanks for sharing some real life stories of how it’s been helpful. And thank you for unpacking company camp.

 

Michael Gogan  33:13

Absolutely. Thanks for having me.

 

Dylan McCabe  33:17

All right, guys. Now you can see why I wanted to have Michael gogan with company cam on the show. It is a stellar tool. And you can try it for free. Just go to company cam.com slash limitless. Give a little nod our way and let them know we sent you you also get access to a 14 day free trial of their pro membership. So I think you’ll be so glad that you did it. Alicia took it for a test drive. And you can know whether it’s the right tool for you. But I think you will be hard pressed to find reasons why not to use company cam. It’s just an incredible tool. And if you want to take your business to the next level to have your processes streamlined and repeatable the way they need to be, you need a tool like this. So again, please help us support this podcast which we publish for free and just go to company cam.com slash limitless and get access to a 14 day free trial of company cam today. Alright guys and the other thing is that this has been helpful to you please take a minute to rate and review on iTunes. Also visit our new Facebook page which we just launched. And now it’s it’s called limitless and not roofing mastery. We would love to engage with you and talk about how to grow a successful and sustainable business. Okay, guys, this is Dylan McCabe with the limitless podcast and I will catch you in the next episode.